What does it take to scale connectivity for the AI era? In this episode of the Ciena Insights Podcast, Vinay V., Chief Technology, Planning & Operations Officer for Asia Pacific at Lightstorm, joins Ciena’s Gautam Billa to explore Lightstorm’s rapid rise from an India-born startup to a leading regional connectivity provider. They unpack the strategic shifts shaping the business, from building high-performance networks in India to expanding connectivity across Asia Pacific and enabling hyperscale growth through Managed Optical Fibre Networks and on-demand network services.
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Hello and welcome
everyone to yet
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another episode of
Ciena Insights Podcast.
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I'm your guest host,
Gautam Billa, and I'm
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the CTO and sales
engineering leader for
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Ciena's Asia Pacific, Japan,
and India business.
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We're really excited today to
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invite on our podcast, Vinay.
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Vinay is the CTPO of
Lightstorm, one of the fastest
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growing connectivity
providers in the world today.
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Now, we are here to give you
a glimpse of Lightstorm's
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phenomenal journey starting
from India and expanding
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into Asia and the rest of
the world. Vinay thank you so
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much for joining me today.
Why don't you give us a quick
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introduction about yourself,
tell us a bit about
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yourself and your role at
Lightstorm. Thanks Gautam. Great
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to be here talking to you.
So I lead the technology
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planning and operations for
Lightstorm across Asia Pacific.
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In my role, my day job is
figuring out how and what
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kind of network we need
to build for the next five
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years, if not 10 years, and
then making sure we actually
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build it. So Lightstorm is
a relatively young company.
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As you said, it's also
one of the fastest growing
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companies in the region.
It's about seven years old,
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and it started with a simple
thesis that we need to put,
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especially in India, purpose
-built digital infrastructure
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not really repurposed
telecom networks from the
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eras of 90s. And that thesis
has now also expanded to
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across the Asia Pacific. So
in my role what really gets
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me excited is we are at a
inflection point where AI is
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fundamentally changing what
networks need to do. I've
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been fortunate enough to
go through the internet era,
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then the mobile era, and the
cloud era. And so we are also
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lucky to have another
revolution that's happening
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as an AI era, I would call
it as. So it's about moving
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the AI and moving the
network with a very specific
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requirement that's tailor-made
for ai. And that's attributes
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like very specific latency,
jitter, and all those
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characteristics. And how we
can solve that problem as well is
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something which keeps me
excited and coming to the work
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every day. Thanks, Vinay.
And you guys are a relatively
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young company, India-born
company, but you guys
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have quickly expanded to
multiple countries now in seven
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plus markets. You guys
touch 100 plus data centers
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globally that's quite amazing.
Can you walk us through
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your journey and what are the
types of networks that you
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have built across India and
the Asia Pacific markets?
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Sure, so Lightstorm really
started in India around 2019
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and one of the big bets the
company had was building a
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national long distance
backbone, we call it as SmartNet.
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So, essentially when we
really started building it
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it was more of a deep trench
fiber that would really
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connect major data centers
in various hubs like Mumbai,
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Pune, Hyderabad, Chennai, and
Bangalore, and Delhi and
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today that corridor is over
12000 terabits per second on
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the design capacity that's
12 petabits of the design.
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So while we build this
next level of the network
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connecting these hubs,
we also realize that it's
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not just having the fiber
in the ground. That's
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not good enough, and you
need to build a smart
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infrastructure on top of
it. So we built Polarin.
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That's our orchestration
platform. We put it as
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an abstract layer over
the network that we built.
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And Polarin gives its customers
an ability to provision
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and also manage the capacity
on demand. We wanted
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to keep that single pane of
glass to the customer and
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they see it real time what
we are seeing in the network
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that we run. So that process
was the customer need
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not wait for weeks to
provision the circuit but he
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can go instantly and provision
those circuits. And the
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same thesis we expanded to
southeast asia and now we
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connect seven plus markets
as you mentioned also like
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over 100 data centers and
the idea is same everywhere.
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So we built the network
seven years ago for cloud
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purpose built data networks,
now we are building purpose
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-built for optical
infrastructure for AI networks.
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And again, we put
the intelligence
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on the top and let
customers consume
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it the way they would
consume the cloud.
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So simple,
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on-demand, programmable
network. That's
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what customers would
like to experience.
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Awesome. Vinay, let's
keep focus on the India
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market for a second
here. It's such a
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complex, it's such a
diverse market. Scale is
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absolutely necessary
when we talk about India.
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1.4 billion people.
It has its sets of
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challenges when you
build infrastructure.
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So we often hear the
term, if you solve for
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India, you can actually
build for the world. So
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what's your take on that?
What are the learnings
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from the India build that
you're actually taking
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out into the Asia and
the rest of the world?
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True, I think that has been the
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case for anything
that we build.
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So actually, I believe that.
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And it's not just as a slogan.
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India, for various
reasons, is one of the
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hardest markets to
build infrastructure in.
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One, you're dealing
with diverse terrain.
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Two, you're dealing
with complex relations.
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Three, those extreme
weather conditions.
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And then the customers,
and customers are king, who
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really expect world-class
quality at a very competitive
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pricing, the best of both
worlds to come in. So when
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you really engineer a
network that works reliably
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across India, you end up
with something that is inherently
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robust. And we stress
test all the factors, the
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engineering standards, operational
playbooks, and including
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the cost structures. All
this gets just tested in
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India. And also like as you
mentioned the other thing is
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scale. India is the second
largest AI user base globally
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it's over 100 million
active GenAI users in the
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country, and when you're really
solving for that kind of
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a demand and that kind of
a scale, you're not building
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a niche solution. You're
actually building something
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that translates to anywhere
in the region. So essentially
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if you are really going
to solve that puzzle for
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India I think we would
have solved the puzzle for
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most of the world and any
of the regions to come with.
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Absolutely. Truly believe in
that. You guys are actually
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building physical
infrastructure on the ground to
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enable digital connectivity.
These are actual fibers
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on the ground, equipment,
dealing with subsea cables.
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Now, all this is an extremely
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capex intensive
industry to be in.
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And how do you scale
something so capital intensive
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to a global scale? And what
are some of the challenges
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that you guys have come
across in doing so? Yeah
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true. Building a network is
definitely a capex intensive
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program that anybody
would take around right. So
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the honest answer is having
partnerships and being
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smart about where you're
going to build organically
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versus where you're going to
acquire the networks so we
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do not try to do everything
ourselves. In India we did
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build organically because
we needed to have the
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control over the fiber quality
that would go in the root
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design and the engineering
we wanted to control
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because we wanted to run the
programmable layer on it.
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And then these qualities
were always non-negotiable.
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And hence we went and
built the network on
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our own. But as we
expanded into Asia Pacific,
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we did acquire the Subsea Cable
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assets where it made sense.
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That's because
it takes years of
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lead time to build
a Subsea network.
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But acquiring this asset,
what it gave us was
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immediate reach without
waiting for years for the
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new builds. And then we
partner with local operators
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and they would extend
that to a local metro
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or in-region access. On
the capital side, having
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an investor who is
infrastructure focused, who
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understands long cycle
assets has been critical.
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It has been an advantage
for us. They are not looking
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for quick returns. They
understand that fiber and
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subsea assets appreciate
over decades. And they know
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the dynamics and nature
of the business very well.
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So the challenge has been
always regulatory. And
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every country has its own
different rules and about
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landing rights or spectrum,
right of way. And this is
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where all the local
partnerships become essential.
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And overall, I think we
had best of the experience
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whether we did build
organically or acquire.
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I think that has been
our focus. We want to
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control and build organically
where we know there is
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a better value for the
position we have. And we
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want to acquire where
our customers can reach,
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scale themselves into
the network. I think it's
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been quite a journey in
India and you guys have been
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able to achieve a lot
in a short time. What I
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hear is, Vinay, the next
focus area seems to be
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Southeast Asia. What makes
this region so strategically
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critical right now?
And can you dissect for
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us some of the opportunities
that are happening,
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let's say in Singapore,
Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia,
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that kind of corridor?
What's it that really
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drives investment in
Southeast Asia for you guys?
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Yeah, Southeast Asia has
been a very big focus for us.
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As you mentioned, there are
two things we have converging.
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First is we have massive
data centers that's getting
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built out by the hyperscalers
across the region and
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the neoscalers and the AI
programs that are building
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those massive data centers,
whether it's in Singapore,
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Johor Bahru in Malaysia, Bangkok.
They are all seeing huge
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investments at a scale which
we have not seen before.
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And second, it's AI adoption.
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AI adoption in the
region is accelerating.
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And this is where most
of the critical mass
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of the planet would
live in and reside.
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And the governments are setting
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up the national AI strategies.
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And hence, enterprises
are deploying all
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those inference
workloads locally so that
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they can get the
advantage of latency and
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also the reasons being
the data sovereignty.
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But there's a gap in
this. The connectivity
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between these data center
hubs has not kept up.
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Most of this connectivity
is still running in legacy
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submarine cables, which
were all designed for the
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internet traffic not even for
the cloud traffic eventually,
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and not for the kind of
low latency. So we need for
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AI deterministic performance
so that AI workloads and
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AI workloads demand that
kind of a performance when
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we really build a network.
So that has been the
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opportunity for Lightstorm. We
are building that connectivity
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tissue between these AI
hubs and we are extending
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the thesis that we have been
started from the day one.
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And with the right network
architecture from the
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day one it has made our
journey easier and it's also
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able to get to scale better.
Now Vinay, Lightstorm has
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talked about something
called an APAC wide fabric
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now i know you might have
answered a part of that
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question already but if you
want to add something on the
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word fabric and what does
it really mean to you? What
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does it look like in practice
from your perspective?
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Fabric essentially
means stitching together
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a terrestrial asset
and a subsea asset into
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one programmable network.
So what I mean is, say
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when a customer in Mumbai
who needs to reach a
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host in a data center
somewhere in Singapore, he
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should be able to
provision that end-to-end
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through our Polarin, which
is our orchestration layer,
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without calling three
different cloud carriers.
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So when he decides, okay,
he needs to connect Mumbai
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to Singapore, I should be
able to do it. That's been
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the pace we want to set
it. And the fabric as a
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concept is very important
because AI workloads,
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especially the AI workloads,
do not respect the national
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boundaries. A model provider might train in one
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country run the inference
in another country and serve
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users across five, six
markets at the same time. But
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when you do train, when you
do inference, when you do
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so, but all of these AI
workloads need a consistent
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network behavior and across
all the three topologies
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or the anatomy that they
are going to experience. So
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this would be like same
latency profile, the same jitter
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characteristics, and same
programmability. That's
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what we need to achieve in
this scenario. So this is
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essentially what we mean
by fabric. Giving the same
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experience across the
geography, whether you're in
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terrestrial you're in the subsea
or you're stretching between
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the geographies. We want to
give that consistent
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software defined optical
layer that spans across.
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simple concept, but not too
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many operators have been
actually able to achieve
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it over the last many
years. So I think Polarin is
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something that we really look
forward to in terms of being
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able to stitch services
end-to-end. And that's
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fantastic. Now, just switching
the topic a little bit,
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Ciena has been a fairly big
proponent of what we call
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MOFN, Manage Optical Fiber
Networks. It's a business
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model where service providers
build dedicated networks
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tailored to hyperscaler
needs. It's quite a unique
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architecture in terms of
technology. What are your
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thoughts around MOFN and
the business model itself?
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Yes, I think MOFN
model validates
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exactly what Lightstorm
has been doing.
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So the idea, all the
hyperscalers and the AI
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companies and the neoscalers,
they're all looking
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for a dedicated optical
infrastructure, that's
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tailor made for them on
the wavelength basis.
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requirements and how the network
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needs to be deployed. And
that has been our core
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thesis as well. We have
been building this from the
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day one and our network
is not shared it's not one
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size fits all kind of a
solution basically. So customers
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get the tailor-made ask
and we deliver it. So they
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ask for dedicated wavelengths
and they want to get the
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control over the topology
and also we provide the
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programmability through the
Polarin. That's essentially
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what MOFN describes and
we are already delivering
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it. Where it really gets
interesting is when you
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combine that pluggable optics,
and also how to disaggregate
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the network in ways that
gives the customer even
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more flexibility. And that
has been a direction we
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are also actively exploring,
and that has also been
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the direction where the
industry is heading towards.
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Super. Let me switch the
topic a little bit, Vinay,
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here. You talked about
AI inferencing earlier
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and AI moving into
monetization. From your
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perspective, what's really
happening in the world right
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now is on one hand,
the world is shrinking
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because we are building this
massive scale infrastructure
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and everything is
available on fingertips.
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But on the other hand,
there's so many geopolitical
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scenarios happening in
the world today, which
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essentially create a
little bit of a divide.
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So in your mind, is
geography becoming
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irrelevant in
infrastructure or is
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it becoming more
important than ever?
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I think this surprises
people because earlier in
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the cloud narrative or
almost decade now, this
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was about abstraction,
about making locations
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invisible about and giving a
seamless connectivity without
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allocation info or
something like that. However
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AI has totally flipped that.
Now AI has various ways
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of creating the network,
one of the asks from the
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AI would be training. Okay
I can tolerate some level
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of latency and distance
wouldn't matter so those
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jobs are long running so
they can handle higher
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latency. But when it comes
to inference which is where
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the market is heading,
inference is incredibly
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sensitive to the latency.
And When a user asks the
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question and he expects
the answer under a second,
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every millisecond in the
network matters and the
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inference is totally a
different beast. So now the
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geography dictates where you
need to place your computer,
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where you're going to
build data center and
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critically, what kind of network
is going to connect them.
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You cannot run a high quality
inference service over
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a congested IP network,
which is multi-vendor network.
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So you need a dedicated
optical intelligent network
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with a deterministic
performance, and that will be
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the new reality. And that
is already a new reality.
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Absolutely. 100% agree
with you on that. There
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is a technology aspect
to it, and then of course
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there's the sovereignty
aspect to it as well,
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which allows us to put
data in some places and
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it limits us to put data
in some other places.
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Now, of course, the
entire paradigm of AI
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and cloud is completely
reshaping the
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network demands and
the traffic patterns.
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How does that influence
your global strategy?
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Yeah, it influences
everything. There has
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been a logarithmic
scale that has been a
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parabolic scale now. It
is called AI scale.
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So we do see AI workloads are
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increasing more
than a parabolic pace.
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Most of the reports
suggest that it would
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be 35% or more annually.
But in my personal
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view, it's more than
just 35% easily.
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And inference is also expected
to overtake the training
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by 2028 in terms of how
much computer power it's
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going to consume. That is a
fundamental shift because
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inference workloads need to
be close to the users which
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means they need metro and
regional networks not just
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big fat pipes, basically. So
our strategy is essentially
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built around this. In India
we are evolving our SmartNet
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platform into next
generation overlay that is
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purpose built for the AI
traffic. It is an intelligent
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optical AI approach we
are taking and it comes up
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with a very tight latency
and jitter specs and also
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gives a programmable topology
and software-defined problem.
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And globally, again,
extending the same thesis and
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the same logic applies.
As the AI adoption grows
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across Asia Pacific, the
demand for this kind of
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infrastructure would follow
and we want to be the provider
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that enterprises and AI
companies trust and adapt for
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most of their latency-sensitive
workloads. Sure, Vinay.
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You talked about SmartNet,
and I believe Ciena has
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been quite an integral part
of the growth story with
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SmartNet, and now the JGA
cable as well. Can you
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share a little more about our
collaboration, and how can
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vendors like Ciena help
support your future plans?
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Ciena has been a foundational
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partner for us
from the day one.
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SmartNet, which is our
national backbone in
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India, that runs on
Ciena optical equipment.
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The platform has been
serving enterprise
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and carrier customers
reliably for years now.
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When we really expanded
into the subsea,
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as you mentioned
about the JGA cable,
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Ciena was a natural
choice because we
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already had the
operational familiarity,
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the tooling, the engineering
capability the team brought
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along, and the way you
built around your platforms.
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And not only when we really
got the JGA app and the
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recent technology upgrade
to the 400 Gig, I think very
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few of the subsea cables
have end to end for any
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technology and Ciena has been
an incredible partner in getting
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that technology upgrade
as well. So what I really
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value about partnership with
Ciena is their technology
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depth. When we come to Ciena
with a problem whether it's
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about a current optical switch
or protection switching
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or an SDN provisioning, the
engineer engagement is super
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real. It's not just sales
conversation and that matters
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a lot. That matters
when you're really building
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networks at a performance
level where the AI is demanding.
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So we are building the
next chapter together and I
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am optimistic about where
it goes and this has been a
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great journey. Thank you Vinay.
Thanks for the nice words
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and one final easy question
for you. What really keeps
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you up at night? I wish
that was an easier question
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to answer. I would say the
pace. We talked about software
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pace and before that it was
the telco pace and now it
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is the AI pace. I think the
AI pace is incredible, it
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changes from morning to
evening so quickly. The rate at
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which AI demand is growing
is unlike anything I've seen
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in my career. We are not
talking about gradual traffic
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increases, we are talking
about a step function jump
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that happens in what customers
need. My concern is that
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as an industry, we are still
building networks the old
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way, with longer procurement
cycles and longer deployment
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cycles. But the AI companies
are moving at greater speed,
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it's more than a software
speed I would call it. They
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need capacity in weeks, if
not days, but definitely not
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quarters. So what keeps me
up is making sure Lightstorm
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stays ahead of the curve.
That we have the architecture
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ready, the supply chain is
logged in, and the operational
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agility to respond when
a customer says, I need a
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10 terabit capacity between
Mumbai to Hyderabad and
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they're ready with that right.
And that's the smart network
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with the programmable
capability we want to provide
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to the customer a single
pane of glass, to see it real
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time and make sure that you
have the best of the class
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service from what we are
going to deliver. So that is
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the bar we are setting
ourselves and that keeps me up.
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It's both technology economics
of scale and making sure
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that we reach to the customer
and provide more than
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what they could have anticipated.
Absolutely and everybody
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needs everything yesterday
these days, so pace of
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change is definitely something
we've never seen before. But, Vinay
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with that, it's been such
an insightful conversation
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I'd like to say a big thank
you to you. To take
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this time with us today,
sharing your insights with
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our audience. And to our
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So thanks everyone
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keep coming back to you
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